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Now that the season is over, a familiar smog descends on the franchise.
In this case, the Campside team sourced the public-radio veteran David Greene for the role.
I heard you had some trouble finding a host for the show.
How many people did you plow through before getting David?
Josh Dean:Well, for obvious reasons, I cant literally name names.
And not once was the reason I have nuanced feelings about this person.
It was always I want to be able to go to Madison Square Garden.
I dont want to tell my kids we can never go back to a Knicks game.
David Greene:Yeah, I wasnt the first call.
I dont even think I was the ninetieth.
But I was down to do it.
Giving up the Garden would be huge, but its also a badge of honor.
Its crazy to me how many people are afraid of being banned from the Garden.
Everybody hates Dolan but is afraid to piss him off.
Its almost as if the Garden were the reason he still has friends.
I underestimated how much celebrities still want to be seen courtside.
He doesnt seem happy to me.
He could probably sell it for a record $6 billion at least.
No one wants that.
Except Dolan, for some reason.
Its like he wants to keep stepping on the rake again and again.
He has been a known quantity for a very long time.
Where did this project come from, and why did you want to tell Dolans story now?
Hes almost scripted in that he does exactly what he shouldnt do every step of the way.
Every time theres a decision to make, he makes the wrong one.
Were you banned from the Garden for writing that piece?
Dean:I havent tested it yet, but Im pretty sure Im bannednow.
I should probably try it for publicity on this show.
Did anything new come from the reporting that surprised you?
I knew they had butted heads in the past and that their relationship seems to be good now.
What I didnt realize was how the story was of him vanquishing his father.
The thing about Dolan being a wannabe musician is one of the more prominent aspects of his public story.
What do you think that reveals about him?
Dean:I think it just means hes never going to be satisfied.
Honestly, its hard not to think about the absurdity of that.
Greene:Totally absurd.
But its also something it’s possible for you to latch on to, right?
You know, Im a karaoke addict even though Im a really bad singer.
Youre allowed to be yourself and authentic.
So with Dolan, I think that music is like his safe, innocent space.
Do you think hes a good businessperson?
Now, could anyone have run Madison Square Garden and made it successful?
Theres probably some amount of it being that hard not to be successful in that business.
But he did buy the Beacon Theatre, Radio City Music Hall.
So I think we could definitively say hes at least a quite good businessman.
Hes just terrible at this one specific thing.
He also seems to be betting the farm onthat giant concert sphere in Vegas.
Part of me thinks that may be the end of the empire.
Greene:Oh, we get into the spheres.
Its some of the funnier moments on the show.
It takes us beyond Las Vegas.
Its a billion dollars over budget.
Do you think the Knicks will ever be free of Dolan?
Greene:I mean, thats part of the mission of the podcast.
I give that like a 0.01 percent chance of becoming reality, just given Dolans history.
If you could meet Dolan in person, what would you want to tell him?
Dean:I think my message to him would be You dont have to do this.
And then no one will yell at him on the street anymore.
Are you two Knicks fans?
Im from Maryland originally, and theres no team in Maryland.
Greene:Im a die-hard Sixers fan.
And Im all Pittsburgh: Im a Penguins fan, so I hate the Rangers.
Wait, youre a Sixers fan?
Is that why youre hosting this show?
Im thrilled with that.
So this is just Schadenfreude for you.
