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Thats whats exciting to me.

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That makes him realize that theyve taken on responsibility for him, too.

He learns a new way of being a pirate that isnt just every person for themselves.

And on the other side of the ego deaths, weirdly, Izzy is a father figure to Ed.

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Its such an unusual journey.

I was surprised by how much grief Taika imbued his performance with.

And all the longshoremen are looking.

Its awful, hes embarrassed and sad its just crushing.

Those deep, intense feelings are very available to Taika.

Was Con aware that Izzy was going to die at the end of this season?

When did he find out about that?I had to tell him about halfway through the season.

I asked him to go to dinner you know, Well talk.

He knew it was coming.

Its such a real thing to tell an actor that their character is dying, you know?

We built Izzy together.

And theres a weight to it, that were not going to see this character alive again.

But also, we created something beautiful together, and weredecidingthat he is going to die.

He was very gracious about it; hes an amazing creative partner.

I just want to work with Con on everything.

I love people from different classes and backgrounds learning to care for each other.

Another thing I love is what I call shaggy stories, stories about people navigating each other.

When you plug them into different genres, you get this great engine that comes with it.

How are we going to evolve as a couple who have decided to stay together?

Are we cut out for that work, or is it too scary?

Were both people who are very damaged.

Its great to tell a love story that turns into the understanding that love is work.

This season, I noticed so much narrative symmetry, particularly around yearning for authenticity.

All of these characters are searching.

They have big dreams and big emotional lives, and they want very big things for themselves.

I like that change is possible.

I want life to be a little expensive on this show.

Piracys a dangerous occupation, and some characters should die.

And when someone loses a leg, they should really lose a leg.

Its what middles should be theyre transitions.

Hes like the outsider artist of pirates.

Frenchies a wild card!

Itll be interesting to see how the power dynamics with the crew shift, how that family grows.

What do they value now?

I want to see how that family under that parent survives.

Its the plundering and the joy of sea crimes.

They want to party, and they want to be free.

Party, plunder, and payback the three Ps.

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