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Aperpetually tardy performer, Madonna has been sued twice in the past for similar infractions.
But … are they?
It maybe says something a little bit about your fanbase, he says with a laugh.
If your fans are getting sleepier, it might be because youve got older fans than you used to.
When I searched the case, everyone on Reddit seemed to be like,Good!
About time!They were really happy about this.
I agree with you, the reaction has been surprising.
Do you find this legitimate or a stunt tactic?Im of two minds about it.
Im sympathetic to the plaintiffs as a sleepy person myself.
I probably would have left if the concert started two hours late.
Music fans should be on notice that concerts could start really late sometimes.
It seems like a tough one to win.
Did you notice that the firm doing this has sued Madonna twice about this already?
Yes, and both of those fizzled out and were voluntarily dismissed.
Its exactly what this is.
I doubt the plan is to litigate this to completion.
What do you imagine each attendee will pocket from this?
Around $200 for this tour?
Im sure it will be a fraction of that.
My educated guess would be $20.
The whole point here is that theyre not willing to refund people for this.
The attorneys benefit the most.
Ill go line by line about a few notable things these fans are alleging.
If those are proved to be incorrect and were misrepresented by the seller, thats sound in theory.
Presumably there are terms and conditions they have with Ticketmaster with these tickets.
If they had language around potential delays, it wouldnt surprise me.
Theres also the possibility that there was no intent here.
Maybe Madonna was sick, or maybe she had a valid excuse for being late.
Its hard to know.
Theres also the question and this is the funniest thing for me what are the damages here?
Its like, the damage is you have to stay up later.
Are those damages?I guess so.
But this is New York City.
The subways and buses still run at night.
If they could prove that, there would be some amount of damages there.
If the plaintiffs had a babysitter and they needed that person to stay on longer?
If you came into work sleepy and were fired?
There are countless other damages you’re free to imagine.
But this is tough and tricky in a class action.
There needs to be commonality among the damages for the whole class.
Those things arent true for every individual fan who was in that concert.
My favorite part of this complaint is that the fans gripe about Madonnas flippant difficulty while starting the show.
How can something like that be proven?With that line, its more relevant to the promoters.
They sued Live Nation and the Barclays Center as well.
Lets say there was a strict noise curfew in place in a city.
That would almost certainly be actionable.
If its a shorter show than usual, it goes into the scope of reasonable expectation.
What would a reasonable Madonna fan expect?
A reasonable Madonna fan might expect that a show could be a little bit shorter or start late.
It becomes a question of when she crosses the threshold into something no reasonable fan would expect.
Heres something a little off-topic but relevant.
But could fans sue under false advertising or deceptive business practices?
That would be more egregious than starting late.
I mean, that would be a huge bummer.
What these three lawsuits have in common is that theyre from fans.
I suspect the venue workers at the Barclays Centerare unionized.
Their remedy would be through their union and whatever their contract is with the venue.
That would be covered in your relationship to your employer.
But direct recourse for the workers against Madonna is harder for me to see.
Its basically like sovereign immunity.
Thats a hot issue.
The Supreme Court is about to weigh in on that.
Madonna can see what they say.
